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  1. Christin Rauwolf Winckelmann

    Very interesting article. Good luck with your new endeavors, and I look forward to reading more of your work.

  2. Lynn Drummond

    I love Alison Wier’s book, about Katherine. And have read Susan George’s. Both off different views, but both very good reads, and both make you think. Katherine was not just a stupid flirty girl, she was maybe not college smart. She knew that she had nothing, and because of her father , would get nothing, and the only way to get anything was to go thru her Uncle, anyway she could, then there Lady Rochford, who testified against her Queen sister in law and her spouse. And just maybe in the pay of Catherine ‘s Uncle..

  3. Lynn Sabin

    I’ve never encountered evidence that Henry VIII ever referred to Anne of Cleves as a “Flanders mare.” Anne was not from Flanders and Henry was well aware of this. Unless I’m mistaken, the first Flanders mare reference is made by Bishop Gilbert Burnet, in 1679 – 32 years after Henry’s death. Notwithstanding, the reference has become omniprésente in pop fiction and film, which should warn us against relying on these mediums too extensively.

    I should hasten to add that Norfolk’s dislike of Anne of Cleves likely had much more to with his intense dislike of Henry’s Chief Minister, Thomas Cromwell, 1st Earl of Essex, than it did with Anne’s appearance. English chronicler, Raphael Holinshed, wrote that Anne was a “lady of right commendable regard, courteous, gentle, a good housekeeper & very bountiful to her servants.” It was also reported that contemporary members of Henry’s court considered her as one of the “most sweet, gracious, and humane queens they have had,” and that she was as attractive as any woman at court. Henry’s initial dislike of Anne is for another time, perhaps, but I posit that it was somewhat more complex than is commonly suggested in Fiction.

  4. Jonathan

    There are several errors in this article, one has already been highlighted (re: Henry VIII did not refer to Anne of Cleves as a Flanders Mare) but also the Duchess of Norfolk was not – as the author of this article writes – Katherine Howard’s aunt. The Duchess of Norfolk was Katherine’s paternal step grandmother. This is a pretty elementary fact that the author should have known.

  5. Jessica

    There seems to be a few errors I have noticed (as well as the Flanders’ mare comment) – Norfolk disliked Cromwell, he didn’t really focus on what Anne looked like – why would he? He wasn’t married to her.

    Katherine was at court through the marriage of Anne and Henry (though not all of it), as one of her ladies in waiting.

    I doubt Norfolk cared whether Katherine was a virgin or not, he was a ruthless man who focused on his family’s power and being at the top, he would have stated HE was a virgin if he could get something out of it.

    Jane Seymour didn’t “find out and blab to Norfolk” – being related through marriage and only really having him to rely on (which didn’t work out her way in the end really), she would have known EVERYTHING that was going on regardless, and was a known conspirator, despite claiming to be mad in the end.

  6. My Rice family connects to Katherine Howard Aunt of the Queen Katherine, who became known in the world as Lady Bridgewater after her husband was killed off by Henry VIII Jan.4, 1531. He was the grandson of Rhys ap Thomas of Bosworth Field and son of Gruffed ap Rhys ap Thomas married to Catherine Johns. The boy was a mere 23 years old at death so Lady Rice made here next marriage to Bridgewater and fought for the return of thousands of acres of Land. If Lady Bridgewater was not the Aunt of the Queen was she the suggested grandmother?

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